Sunday, September 10, 2017
Gregorio Fidalgo Tejedor of Abelgas in Spain
Here is the link to a wonderful article about the resurgence of the Spanish Mastiff in Spain as a guardian of cattle and sheep. Gregorio Fidalgo Tejedor and Violeta Alegre of Abelgas are quoted and mentioned.
I am extremely proud to have been the very first and only American allowed to import the important Abelgas lines here to North America- a total of three dogs - coming on six years ago. In 2009 when I began breeding and using Spanish Mastiffs, the breed had become stagnant here in the USA - those who had been breeding them had quit importing over dogs.
I vigorously set about to bring over new lines. I have brought over a total of 12 Spanish Mastiffs from Europe in just 8 years. The lines I breed are a mix of working and show lines including Abelgas, Puerto Canencia and Tornado Erben - I also was the first to bring over Viejo Paramo, Lu Dareva and Dartibo bloodlines; my pups have proven that when reared right, even the show bloodline dogs can and will fiercely guard their flocks and herds - in spite of what some American “LGD experts” falsely claim. If the show line dogs have the heart and a good mind and an experienced, patient, trusting owner who will rear and train them right, they too will guard, and guard well.
Translated into English, below:
An Effective Keeper of Livestock - The Spanish Mastiff is exported to the world.
5 Leons puppies bark in Nuremberg
By Ana Gaitero | Diario de Leon
More than 1,200 Spanish mastiff puppies are registered every year in official bodies, although very few are dedicated to guard functions against the wolf in the field and now demand cattlemen who come to the province from Germany, France and other countries
Leon's mastiff took the title of the race, but not his deserved fame. In 1986, Commitment II and Thyme of Aralla, the mythical dogs of Emilio Álvarez, jumped from the pod to the podium in the world canine exhibition of Vienna. A German became infatuated with the dogs and paid a million pesetas for each. They were gone forever.
Thirty years later, the mastiffs of Leon go to work abroad. Like the youth of Leon. Dogs are demanded beyond the borders of the old kingdom and Spain but not as an exhibition animal, but for their millennial function: guarding the herds. Germany, France, the United States, Russia, Belgium, Czechoslovakia are the countries of origin of some of the herdsmen who have come up to the mountains of Babia and Luna, where today is celebrated the Feast of the Shepherd, to know in situ the dogs that "they are not afraid" and that in spite of their calm and calm mood they are ready to fight hard with the wolf and to stay with the cattle.
They are dogs of "character and with attachment to the cattle", points Luis Maria Fernandez, of the Minnows, the affix that Brussels approved for its dogs, of Caboalles de Abajo. Each year, more than 1,200 Spanish mastiff puppies are registered in official bodies, the official name of the breed of this dog dedicated to keeping the cattle, especially the sheep, from time immemorial. A market that moves more than one million euros annually. Most are for exhibition, not for field work, says José Ignacio Doadrio, research professor at the CSIC National Museum of Natural Sciences.
However, in the province of León, the cattle-raisers -trashumantes between the bank and the merineros ports of the mountain- keep active about 250 mastiffs for the defense of their cattle. A few have seen in the breeding of the mastiff the perfect formula to have the ideal dogs for their hut, to defray the expenses they cause and "sometimes to obtain an added value that gives them some benefit", says Doadrio.
It is these farms that in recent years have approached their colleagues from countries such as Germany, France, Czechoslovakia and even the United States. "They are looking for a dog that has attachment to the sheep, that knows how to defend them from the wolf, and at the same time respects the people because in the same place where the sheep graze is practiced the tourism", says Gregorio Fildago, cattleman and breeder of mastiffs.
"Dogs have to have character, good teeth and be light", says Manuel Morán, livestock of Barrios de Luna and whose mastiffs carry the blood of Tomillo, because his wife is the daughter of Emilio Alvarez, who in his time was very concerned about genetic selection and care of their mastiffs and got to freeze semen of some of their famous dogs. "He was a farmer and a respected shepherd, both for his dogs and for his good work with the sheep. In 1984 he was named «Rabadán de Los Montes de Luna», recalls Félix García Rodríguez, Aqueda Carea, of the Canina Leonesa Society.
Mastiff puppies are sold at prices ranging from 500 to 1,200 euros. An adult dog "is priceless," says Fildago. Cattle owners are mainly concerned with functional aspects and "especially because they have good winds to detect the presence of the wolf, show attachment to the cattle and are brave, leaving light and agile to defend it," he explains.
In the morphological aspects it is mainly valued that "they are big, cabezones, with good legs and strong", as reflected Doadrio in the study that realized on the trasterminancia in Leon. If dogs are small in size, it is necessary to have more specimens, which results in an increase in the cost of their food and care, he adds.
The Leonese transhumants have an average of seven mastiffs for each flock of a thousand sheep, although they believe that would be enough with five. They also use them in Laciana for cow herding. According to the study carried out by the biologist of the CSIC "the death of dogs by the wolf is small and minor that of mastiffs that kill a wolf". In general, the breeders believe that the mastiffs of now are worse than those of before, what the scientist attributes to the abandonment that occurred when the population of wolves diminished until the limit of the extinction.
The decline of the wolf in the 80's marked a before and after in the evolution of the mastiffs. They feared for the extinction of this dog and began to be interested in their breeding from professional sectors. In this way, a "functional genetic heritage for a morphological selection that has given an exaggerated type of dubious functionality" was ceded, the researcher points out.
"There are more expositional lines and more functional lines that do not waver in an exhibition, but in Leon's case the line of exhibition dogs are functional and effective", says the breeder and breeder Luis María Fernández. "Historically, everyone who has wanted and wants good mastiffs comes to Leon," notes Fidalgo.
What may seem a chauvinist song, is corroborated by the genetic line of a great Asturian breeder who has acquired much of his specimens in Leon. Or the recent visit of a group of Basque breeders looking for a suitable dog to defend their cows from the wolf.
The Spanish Association of the Spanish Mastiff Dog was created in 1981 to safeguard this species linked to the transhumance and golden times of the Council of the Mesta, since during the Middle Ages and the Modern Age the Spanish economy was based on the wool market . Mastiff dogs were the faithful allies of the shepherds in the long days of transhumance from Extremadura to Leon.
From the prestige of the mastiff and his relationship with the aristocracy, who were the great owners of the transhumant herds, he tells of the famous painting of Las Meninas by Velázquez, in which a copy of a mastiff appears. A dog whose usual environment, as a working dog, is the open air, surrounded by sheep, between valleys and mountains and with a long road ahead.
The lightest prototype of the mastiff comes from the biometric measurements established by the International Canine Federation in 1946, which took as reference three copies of the central zone of Spain. The association points out that the transhumant cattle ranch used a larger dog, so in 1981 a new prototype was established to recover the great mastiff.
For several years the two prototypes coexist and in 1998 the association sets in motion the breeding plan whose objective is the improvement of the breed coupled with concepts of health and rigor in breeding. Avoiding hip dysplasia is one of the challenges of all mastiff breeders. "The biologists knew that the wolf would not go extinct and the mastiff would still be necessary to keep the cattle," says José Ignacio Doadrio. But the shepherds sold many of their specimens and there was a "real diaspora" of mastiffs. The result is that the prototype most valued in the exhibitions "tends to morphological exaggeration and becomes less functional", apostle.
Today, mastiffs are needed more than 35 years ago. There are more wolves. Doadrio praises the initiative of breeders who care about raising their dogs and health and preserving their functionality as a suitable formula for "their selection and maintenance without costing livestock."
Now the main problem of these breeders is to find young offspring to cross with their dogs and avoid inbreeding. «The revaluation of these functional dogs carried out by some breeders
Beyond prototypes, the cattleman ditches the controversy: "There are good dogs and bad dogs." Ignacio Doadrio defends that "the beautiful dog must be functional and the functional beautiful, if one of the things fails is not a good dog".
The larger mastiffs work well with the cows, which is an advantage to keep these herds on the mountain with greater security against the wolf and even in front of the bear. "Where there are no dogs on the mountain, the cattle are attacked and the mastiff is the most effective tool, even if the bear is more complicated because more dogs are needed," says Luis María Fernández.
The herdsmen of the Karrantza Valley visited several herds of sheep and cows in the regions of Omaña, Babia and Laciana to learn firsthand about the management that the herdsmen make of the herds with the help of their precious mastiffs, whom they consider the best defense against the wolf.
"It is not the only solution, but the mastiff is a very good solution," says the CSIC biologist. "The damage goes down," he says. The mastiff, he adds, not only protects against the wolf, but also against small mammals such as foxes, martens and martens who are the ones who eat the eggs of birds with the negative consequences it has for their reproduction.
The herdsmen visited the herds of Gregorio Fidalgo and Violeta Alegre, in Lake of Omaña, the cattle ranch of the Picardos in Caboalles de Abajo. The author of the Spanish Mastiff Field Manual explained to cattle breeders the handling of the cattle with this singular dog because of its size and nobility.
Today the mastiffs are measured in the Festival of the Shepherd of Barrios de Luna, with a contest of exhibition dogs. The judge is also Pastor Major of the year 2015 Ignacio Doadrio. The trophy Emilio Álvarez is also celebrated for the best cattle mastiff, organized by the Canina Leonesa Society, with Eloy Presa García as judge.
The scientist encourages the breeders to follow the example of the few that breed mastiffs to contribute to the improvement of the breed.
Tuesday, September 5, 2017
Buckeye Enthusiast Keeps Heritage Hens Safe
With Livestock Guardian Dogs
Brenda M. Negri with Barbara Judd
© Copyright 2015 Backyard Poultry Magazine
You can hear the dedication and sound reasoning in Washington farmer and heritage Buckeye breeder Barbara Judd’s voice when she says why she uses Livestock Guardian Dogs to keep her rare breed of poultry safe from depredation:
“Buckeyes were once in the Critical Category established by the Livestock Conservancy. Thanks to their Buckeye Recovery Project, the breed moved from the Critical to Threatened category on the Conservation Priority List. I am committed to always protecting all my charges, and the fact that this chicken breed is still considered “threatened” gives the importance of their protection even heavier weight. I decided the best protection I could give them would be Livestock Guardian Dogs.”
Using Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGDs) to keep sheep, cattle, goats, alpacas, and other mammalians safe from harm is an age-old practice, although relatively (approximately 30 years) new in North America. Some of the more common LGD breeds in use are the ever popular Great Pyrenees, Akbash, Maremma, Kuvasz and Anatolian Shepherd. Rarer breeds such as the Spanish Mastiff, Pyrenean Mastiff and Karakachan are increasing in popularity and use. Putting LGDs to work to guard poultry, ducks, turkeys, geese and guinea fowl is more of a recent movement in line with the increased number of hobby farms, small family ranches and homesteaders. It’s a commitment of time, patience, and more patience, but LGDs can be successfully trained to guard poultry, and many have come to depend on their dogs to keep their flocks safe from depredation.
Barbara Judd agreed to share her story as to how she came to raising Buckeyes on her Washington farm, eventually choosing two sibling LGD pups and two adult siblings from my ranch and kennel operation in Northern Nevada.
“I had decided I wanted to breed Buckeyes. I had fallen in love with their personality, and their story is intriguing as well,” says Judd. “Buckeyes are a notably personable breed, very active and noted for being especially vigilant in the pursuit of mice. They also are very friendly with people and lack the tendency to feather-pick ach other. The males emit a full range of sounds beyond those typical of many other chicken breeds, including a dinosaur-like roar!”
Judd subsequently got on a wait list for chicks from Laura Haggarty and Pathfinders Farm in Kentucky, and received her hatchlings in spring of 2014. Recently Judd moved to a 55 acre farm she calls Froghaven near Salkum, about an hour north of Portland. Here she plans to increase her Buckeye flock. “My goal is to become the go-to person for Buckeye chicks and pullets in Western Washington. I love this breed; they are a great dual-purpose chicken for homesteads and fit in well with a back-to-the-farm sentiment.” Barbara further adds, “The cocks can grow to 8 or 9 pounds and are good meat birds. While as layers they are not quite as productive as a White Leghorn, for example, I understand them to live and produce for a longer period of time than the breeds that were developed for their egg-laying ability alone.”
Barbara’s new farm has a host of predators and wildlife, as did her previous one. She admits to not having given much thought to predators at first, but one day commented to a friend, “If I lose a bird to a predator, it will be that one”, pointing out one of the gold sex-links she had. Less than a week later, she discovered a pile of gold feathers, not 20 feet from her house, in the afternoon. Her dire prediction had come true. She immediately began researching how to keep her chickens safe. “My chickens were not raised to be coyote food,” she quips.
Judd read about Livestock Guardian Dogs, “But I was extremely put off by the prevalent and popular descriptions of hands-off training and minimal human interaction. Any dog I own is a part of my family, and I felt the hands-off, do-not-touch descriptions I read just didn’t make sense for us.”
Later that summer she lost another hen to a coyote. Now, she was determined, as well as furious, and bound to find a solution. Judd spent the evening researching LGDs on the Internet.
She continues: “This time, as I looked I discovered another perspective to owning LGDs, living with them and training them, one I had not run across before. I found Brenda Negri’s website for her Cinco Deseos Ranch in Nevada where she’d been raising LGDs since 2009. On her site were several articles she’d authored wherein she expounded at great length about socializing LGDs with people, about LGDs being part of the family, a component of a team, not just a disposable tool or something to be kept at a distance. She reared litters in a huge pack of working LGDs and spoke of how they were mentored and shepherded along by her older, seasoned dogs, and spoke of the continuity and consistency this produced in working pups. Her website was full of information on having LGDs as part of a small farm, small acreage, as well as the rare Spanish breeds she specialized in, being more suitable for this type of duty.”
As it happened, I had a litter of LGD pups on the ground at the time, sired by my trusted old Great Pyrenees, Peso, and a rare Italian import Pyrenean Mastiff female, Atena. Barbara sent me a puppy application, “The stars aligned,” she chuckles, and the Judds became proud new owners of Lucy and Patty, nick named “The Pockets” as they were the two smallest pups in the huge (16 puppies) litter. As if predestined, they also hung out together and were inseparable. Barbara took the pair home at about ten weeks, and LGD Chicken Guarding 101 began!
Patty and Lucy’s litter had already been exposed to my own mixed flock of 40 Cochin, Brahman and Polish layers, with daily visits into the coop and chicken yard. Barbara wisely took my advice, and bought two siblings who roughhoused with one another and wore each other out playing instead of taking out their young energy on livestock and fowl. The pups had also been exposed to neighbor children, cattle and sheep and were showing great promise as guardians.
“Which brings up another point,” Judd adds. “The importance of selecting a knowledgeable and reputable LGD breeder. I had always had rescues as pets….these dogs were to be working dogs, not pets. They were to be socialized and part of the family but I needed them to be LGDs – guaranteed – not maybes. I needed to be certain, and not risk they’d turn out to be chicken killers instead of protectors. So I bought LGDs from a reputable breeder, who had both parents, who were working parents, descended from working lines. And she had references, and many, many clients who came back time and again to buy dogs only from her. That was how reliable and trustworthy her dogs were. Actually, the price I paid was not significantly more than which the rescue organizations ask, and in the large scheme of things is an insignificant cost when you consider the lifetime cost of caring for a pet – or as I’ve heard in poultry circles, ‘It costs the same to feed a breeder’s chick as it does a feed store chick.’”
Once settled in at the new home, Patty and Lucy’s training continued with older, calm hens who were less flighty and thus, less inclined to tempt the pups into chasing. Judd made the training time a “treat time” by positive reinforcement. Each pup received a treat before each short, 10-15 minute “class”. Soon, they were reminding her it was time for “school”.
“I knew this process would take weeks, if not months,” Judd adds. She kept the chickens and pups in a small, very manageable area, and sat with them. No distractions were allowed: no pet dogs, no children. “We spent time just hanging out with the chickens, and always ended on a positive note before they got tired.” As time progressed, “The Pockets” became calm and confident around the fowl, remaining alert and interested, but no inappropriate behavior. Judd increased the time the pups were with the flock gradually.
“I came at training the pups in a slow and systematic, careful manner. I learned from Brenda, from previous dog trainers and read the books by noted dog behaviorist, Turid Rugaas that Brenda insisted I read. The pups became part of the daily chicken routine. As puppies, they needed protection too as they were far too young to fend for themselves, so they were never left alone overnight, for example.”
Judd was also learning about unique LGD behavior, which is markedly different than non-LGD breeds. “I can say they are nothing like other dogs I have had. They won’t fetch, they don’t play tug o’ war. They DO seem to notice every detail around them.”
Judd’ observations are accurate. LGD breeds guard on ingrained instinct, not so much training, although the owner will enable, foster and encourage that guarding instinct with positive reinforcement and gentle reprimands when a pup makes a mistake. Tying a dead chicken around a pup’s neck is an oft-quoted “solution” for problems but only encourages confusion and distrust in the pup and shouldn’t be done. There are no short cuts to doing “Chicken 101” with LGD pups, and the owner has to commit to the time and patience it takes.
One night, Judd woke to one of the pups barking at a bookcase. “I had moved a large photo onto that bookcase, and Lucy noticed – something’s not where it belongs!”
A more telling incident happened a week or so after Barbara brought The Pockets home:
“We’d spent a lot of time around the chickens, in their run or out foraging. One early evening we walked by the run and no chickens were in sight. Patty was immediately stressed! She sat down, whining at the run. The chickens had simply put themselves in the coop for the night, so when the hens poked their heads back out to see what the commotion was about, Patty relaxed and was immediately satisfied.” Judd continues, “You could see the wheels turning in Patty’s head – ‘Oh that’s where they are. OK, everything is fine now!’ I was amazed and impressed. These were certainly the right dogs to protect my chickens.”
From the time I began raising and using LGDs, I have always understood the importance of running these dogs in the right numbers – just as they are in Spain and other countries where the pastoral life is still alive and very much a fabric of their society. I’ve continually lectured my clients about the advantages of running enough LGDs to properly cover the acreage, terrain, predator load and stock they have.
Dogs, like humans, must sleep and rest too, and one LGD cannot last long if it is expected to carry the load of three or four dogs. In addition, should one dog become ill or injured, by removing him from duty, an operator’s flock or herd becomes immediately more vulnerable to attack. Where predators can easily take down one LGD, a pack of three or four dogs will present a much more serious deterrent to threats. On my ranch, my several dogs work in “shifts”, so there is always coverage, 24/7. Some dogs may do a “perimeter patrol” farther out at the edge of my 5 acres while the others stay closer to the flock, barns, and my house. Although my closest neighbors continually lose goats, sheep, horses, calves, pet cats and chickens to packs of coyotes, feral dogs, mountain lions and birds of prey, I have never suffered a single loss here.
Barbara Judd was a willing and capable pupil and took my advice about “enough dogs” to heart. A few short weeks after the move to the larger farm, Barbara brought in two young adult Spanish Mastiffs I had bred who had to be rehomed due the owner’s relocation. Agostin and Argenta were from my first purebred Spanish Mastiff litter, who had been guarding horses and chickens in Montana. When she got wind of the pair being up for rehoming, and their proven experience as fowl guardians, Judd seized the opportunity to add two “chicken broke”, mature guardians, dubbed “The A Team”, to her larger acreage with its more serious predator load.
“My plan is to eventually add a small herd of goats to forage the brush and weeds, and perhaps a heritage breed of wool sheep,” Judd says. “I knew with the larger farm acreage and more livestock, that I needed more protection than just two dogs, and the sibling pair Agostin and Argenta fit the bill to a “T”.”
As introductions currently progress at Froghaven Farm, “The A Team” is getting to know “The Pockets” and all is going well. The Judds will keep their heritage flock of Buckeyes safe and sound from depredation with four very devoted Livestock Guardian Dogs. “Since we brought Lucy and Patty we have never lost a single bird,” Judd says, and with the addition of two more dogs, they won’t be losing anything in the future, either.
"Must Do's" and Tips
· ⤷Buy pups who are only purebred or crosses of purebred, recognized LGD breeds. LGD breeds crossed on non-LGD breeds are unpredictable and high risk.
· ⤷Buy from established breeders who will give references, customer support and have a proven track record of producing good guardian dogs.
· ⤷You get what you pay for. Quality LGD pups typically start at $500 and go up from there. Quality going adults can cost $1,000 on up.
· ⤷Never bring a pup home younger than 8 weeks of age and make sure all puppy vaccinations are complete, as well as several de-wormings.
· ⤷ If possible buy pups that have been started on and exposed to poultry and fowl. Make sure they have been regularly handled and socialized with people and are not skittish or frightened when approached.
· ⤷Make sure your fencing is puppy escape-proof and secure.
· ⤷ Remember that rearing LGDs to guard poultry is a labor-intensive endeavor with no magical short cuts. Patience, time and persistence are key to success.
· ⤷LGD pups take up to two years or more to fully mature. Don’t expect adult work from an immature dog.
Recommended reading and related Internet links:
The Livestock Conservancy: http://livestockconservancy.org
American Buckeye Poultry Club: http://www.americanbuckeyepoultryclub.com
Protect Your Poultry With Livestock Guardian Dogs, by Brenda M. Negri, Nov/Dec 2015 issue of Countryside Magazine
Sibling Success! Advantages of Littermate Guardian Dogs, by Brenda M. Negri, Sept/Oct 2015 issue of sheep! Magazine
On Talking Terms with Dogs: Calming Signals, by Turid Rugaas, Copyright 2006 by Dogwise Publishing
Thursday, August 31, 2017
Tips for Finding a Quality
Livestock Guardian Dog Breeder
©2017 Brenda M. Negri
and Dairy Goat Journal
Sept/Oct Vol 95, No. 5
Just ten years ago you had to hunt long and hard to find a breeder of working Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGDs) in many parts of the country. Not anymore. With the burgeoning popularity and use of these flock protectors, now it seems as though everyone with a male and female LGD is breeding them – in all honesty, for better and worse. “LGDs for sale” groups and forums and “LGDs wanted” groups pop up every week on the Internet, and flood Facebook and social media sites. Craigslist explodes with ads faster than they can be flagged as prohibited and removed.
Choices, choices everywhere: ranging from great to good to bad to ugly!
For the future of LGD gene pools, this mass production of a faddish nature is not good, often producing substandard dogs of poor quality, lacking in size and often possessing inferior working and guarding instinct. Livestock Guardian Dog breeds bred by fad-motivated breeders are demeaned and cheapened and used as hobby farm cash crops like pigs and goats. The problem is, they are not butcher animals, and should never be reduced to that level and lack of respect.
What typically comes with fad breeders is zero support for the buyer. Why else do you suppose so many forums are filled with people having issues they need answers for about their LGDs? It’s because they bought from bad breeders who won’t or can’t support them.
Your goats are an investment and a valuable part of your farm or ranch. You need them kept safe and sound. Along with good fencing, attentive shepherding and other predator deterrents, a good LGD can be your goat herd’s life insurance. The decision to buy and use LGDs is a serious, time consuming and costly commitment. Do it right by buying quality dogs from a trustworthy, reputable and dependable breeder.
How do you sort out the reputable and trustworthy LGD breeders from those who are not? By doing your homework and asking the right questions, you can narrow down your choices to trustworthy breeders who will not evaporate the minute you take their pup home with you, or disappear the second your check clears. Start by asking the right questions. Then, observe. Listen to your gut. If your gut says
“no, don’t do this” – then don’t do it!
“no, don’t do this” – then don’t do it!
The Top Ten Questions Every LGD Buyer Needs to Ask LGD Breeders
1. Why are they breeding LGDs and how long have they been doing it? Do they require an application? Are they simply breeding dogs as a cash crop to make money on a fad? What is their game plan and their reason for breeding? Can they document how long they’ve been breeding LGDs? Do they strike you as someone who is truly invested in their dogs, or cavalier about them and disconnected? Reputation breeders have an application process that vets out potential customers. Instead of fearing this, the buyer should embrace the process as it shows the breeder cares enough to place their pups with the very best homes possible.
2. Are they breeding a legitimate LGD breed or cross of LGD breeds? Where did their dogs come from? Unfortunately with the LGD popularity boom has come an increased lack of transparency and truthfulness amongst breeders. In a perfect world, there’d be no deception and lies, but we don’ live in a perfect world, do we? Many examples exist of breeders claiming their dogs were imported over from another country when the dog was domestically bred here in the USA. If a breeder can’t or won’t tell you the name of the kennel or breeder they supposedly imported a dog from, that is a huge red flag. Imported bloodlines typically add to a dog’s price, so steer clear of anyone using the import ruse just to charge exorbitant sums for their pups.
The explosion in popularity of LGDs has unfortunately fostered increased bad breeding choices bordering on the ludicrous. Classified ads abound of LGDs crossed with everything from herding dogs such as Border Collies and Australian Shepherds, to Great Danes, Newfoundlands, pit bulls and more. The list is upsetting and endless. The sellers of these dogs often try to pass them off as “the newest breed of farm dog” or a dog that “does it all: both guarding and herding”. Some go as far as to try to create a new breed by crossing several breeds together and giving the end product a name. What this does to the gene pools in America is pollute and dilute great working instincts, physical soundness and type, and threatens to destroy guarding instincts. It is every honest LGD breeder’s nightmare.
Typically bad breeding choices turn out to be high-risk dogs thick with prey drive and dicey if any guarding instinct. Avoid these vanity based “Heinz 57” breeding fiascoes. Stick with a legitimate, known LGD breed or a cross of legitimate LGD breeds, and don’t risk your goat’s lives and safety on a crossbred mongrel. Remember: a bad dog will cost you just as much to feed and take care of as a good dog.
3. Can they provide you references? Everyone has to start somewhere. If this is a first time litter the breeder won’t have references on pups but you can ask neighbors for input on if the breeders’ dogs are trustworthy in livestock. The new breeder will be forthcoming on their start up and not lie to you about it.
4. Puppy health: what’s included? First puppy shot series? Several de-wormings? Micro-chipping? Health papers including documented dates of vaccinations and de-wormings and any vet exams? These are what separate a fad breeder from a professional, ethical breeder dedicated to producing top quality pups. You’ll often see ads saying “up to date on shots” or “current on shots” – up to date from what date? Current as in when? Bottom line: how many shots were administered, and when? Ask them! Health issues can crop up even with good breeders. It’s how they handle them that counts. Are they forthcoming about structural testing such as OFA hip certifications and other recognized and respected health testing? Do they frankly discuss losses or diseases they’ve suffered, or cover them up?
5. Are both parent dogs on site? Are they working in livestock? Are the pups in livestock? Make sure the parents are what the breeder claims they are (especially with all the crossbreeding that goes on these days). Ask to observe them in livestock so you can see their behaviors. Whether a handful of stock or hundreds of head, you should see calm, nurturing dogs showing protective instinct, not rough housing or aggression.
6. Do they offer work guarantees? Occasionally a pup comes along in a litter that just does not have “it” and fails as an LGD. Will they buy back or offer a replacement pup?
7. Can they describe the training they put the pups through? Many ads will say “exposed to” or “have been around” as they describe their litter’s time in livestock. What does that really mean? Press for detailed answers. Are the pups regularly with livestock? Part time? Or hardly ever? A photo is worth a thousand words. When you see ads for pups with photos of them without livestock nearby, or locked up in a chain link kennel, this can mean they really aren’t being exposed to or raised in livestock. Can the breeder describe to you in depth their training and rearing process? Remember, you are going to need to lean on them for support. If they can’t give you good answers now, they won’t be of any help later on.
8. What kind of breeder support do they offer once you take the pup home?
Do they expect the buyer to keep in touch and keep them abreast of how the pup does? If the breeder stops taking your phone calls as soon as your check clears, you can pretty much rest assured you made a huge mistake in breeder selection. Will the breeder be there for you with training support or not? If not, keep shopping! Good breeders expect and need feedback from customers. Be a good customer and give them progress reports on their pup so they can plan wisely for future litters and are able to better help you.
9. If the pup comes down with or dies from a genetic disorder will they replace it? This is an easy yes or no answer. If the buyer provides x-rays and/or a vet’s description of the malady that has struck the dog or pup, the breeder can then discuss with them the options for replacement.
When you go to look at a litter of pups, look for healthy pups that can be approached and handled. They should have clear eyes, healthy coats, be confident and not frightened of visitors. The breeder should be handling them and socializing them.
Good LGD breeders are “open book breeders” who run a transparent, truthful breeding program that does not hide health ailments or losses. They have high expectations of themselves, their dogs and their customers. They don’t pressure sell because they recognize that LGDs are not the answer for all situations. They are honest enough to tell the buyer they’d be better off with good fencing or other predator deterrents than the time required to raise and train an LGD, and the costly investment a good LGD entails. They respect LGDs enough to do an application process for potential owners and don’t sell pups to just anyone who flashes cash under their nose.
There are enough top tier, honest LGD breeders in business to not have to settle for poor ones. Do your goats and yourself a favor. Don’t go with the cheapest, closest, easiest LGD breeder simply because they are convenient. If they pass muster, answer questions and have quality dogs, great. But if they don’t, instead of taking the easy route and paying for it in the end, plan on taking more time to find the right LGD breeder with trustworthy LGDs. Travel time, price and what you have to go through to purchase the LGD pup will pay for itself in the long run if you go with a reputable, reliable breeder who’ll be there for you and your pup when you need them. Your goats will thank you for it!
LGD Breeder Red Flags
★Premature weaning of a pup from it’s dam and litter has serious consequences and reputable breeders keep litters till they reach at least 8 weeks, sometimes as old as 12 or 14 weeks. Puppies need to be with their dam and littermates for as long as possible to develop important social skills, and foster physical and mental development a human cannot replicate.
★If the breeder acts uncomfortable as you ask questions of them, is vague or refuses to answer your questions to your satisfaction, keep shopping. If the breeder is evasive about where they bought their breeding stock from, then you’re better off going elsewhere. If they claim to have imported brood stock, ask for proof; novice LGD breeders “faking” imports has recently become a disturbing trend.
★Most veterinarians will tell you puppies need a series of parvovirus and distemper vaccinations by a certain age in order to be properly protected from those potential killers. Likewise if a breeder has only dewormed a litter once by the time they are 8 weeks, it is not enough and pups will likely be full of parasites. Find out what other vaccinations are mandatory in your specific area and ask if the breeder administered these as well.
★Somewhere between price-cutting and price gouging lies the sensible answer to the “how much should I pay for an LGD puppy” question. Steer clear of pups priced ridiculously cheap (typically anything under $300) or priced at high extremes (very few ranchers can afford $2,000-and up working LGD pups). The average price for a good pup out of more common LGD breeds (Great Pyrenees, Akbash, Anatolians, Maremmas) is $400-700. Rare LGD breeds, registered (i.e. AKC papered), or those out of verifiable imported stock typically bring more, $900-1800.